[PnP] Gambling Ho!
Choinski, Burton
Burton.Choinski at matrixone.com
Fri Nov 3 05:02:00 CET 2006
Polished document attached. Takes the previous rev-2 and cleans up the wording, adds some additional rules. For sublition to Wout's site.
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From: pnp-bounces at abroere.xs4all.nl on behalf of Choinski, Burton
Sent: Thu 11/2/2006 10:17 AM
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Subject: RE: [PnP] Gambling Ho!
>>I've not done a 'gambline' session in some time and its more rare these >>days to do so. I'm in favor of a quick and easy system than something >>complex like this. Looks good but doubt I'd use it. I'd rather just make >>maybe 1-3 rolls and check some charts I'd generate :)
Then you should be all over this :} It pretty much is as you specified -- look up on some charts (or wing it) to determine opposing "skill", player rolls for self, Gm rolls for "house". If player beats the house he retains his stake and wins a percentage of what he risked. If he loses he loses some percentage of his stake.
What the goal of this new system is to provide more character interaction as to choosing his fate as opposed to just rolling dice and taking the result as his winnings.
There are no "cards" involved -- that may have been a poor choice of words. I meant it in the term of a "wild card", an uncontrollable stroke of luck (or unluck). It's something that increasing EL can help increase the chance of it, but cannot control it.
I thought on it last night, so here is the rev-2 of this idea.
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STAKE
Player decides on his stake for the night. This is his gauge of risk. Since it is possible, on a real bad night to lose up to five times this, he should keep this in mind when he goes to the tables, or be prepared to hand over items or get a good beating.
VENUE
The size of the stake determines the venue. Venue is a combination of crowd wealth and size of the gambling crowd. Keep in mind that, in general, as you get to higher coins you will be dealing with greater skill.
Average Large Grand Skill
Poor 1BB-1CC 5BB-2CC 1CC-3CC 0-2
Common 1CC-4CC 2CC-7CC 3CC-1SC 1-3
Comfortable 4CC-1SC 7CC-2SC 1SC-3SC 1-5
Wealthy 1SC-4SC 2SC-7SC 3SC-1GC 2-6
Noble 4SC-1GC 7SC-2GC 1GC-3GC 2-7
Royal 1GC+ 2GC+ 3GC+ 3-8
x1 x2 x3 Payout/Loss
+0 +1d3 +1d6 Skill add
Not all venues are possible in all places. A town in the sticks may be limited to "Common" wealth levels, simply because everyone is poor. Likewise, if the only game in town is a tiny inn, "Large" and "Grand" gaming may not be available. Other then those limitations, the player may choose his venue based on his stake.
The "skill add" is used to simulate the added problem of more gamblers to deal with as well as the chance of "ringers". Keep in mind that for Joe Average x1 man, highest gambling skill is EL2; with EL3 if they are talented (better characteristics). A "x2" gambler will have skills between EL4 and EL6. In general, only character class gamblers will exceed 6.
THE GAME
Next, the player rolls his 3d10+EL and the GM secretly rolls 3d10+Skill. The GM will inform the player if he is a winner or loser. At this point the player may "DOUBLE DOWN" and double his potential payout (or possibly his possible loss). Both he and the GM roll an additional d10 and add it to their totals.
PAYOUT
This is where it gets interesting. If the player wins the roll, he has a basic payout of 10% of his stake for every 5 points (round up) his total beats the house. Likewise, if he loses the roll he has a loss of 10% for every 5 points (round down) he is behind. This basic payout is modified by the player's "hand" as compared to the GM's.
Player Was Winner House Was Winner
Player Had House Had Player Had House Had
Highest Die x2 /2 /2 x2
Highest Pair x3 /3 /3 x3
Highest Triple x5 /5 /5 x5
For winnings, the player keeps his stake and gains his basic payout times the "player winner" wild-card factor that applies times the payout scale for the size of the crowd. This value is DOUBLED if he doubled down.
For loses, the total loss is the payout times the "house winner" wild-card factor times the loss scale for the size of the crowd. Again, this is DOUBLED if the player doubled down. If the stake covers this loss, the player is fine. If the stake is not enough, the player will need to pitch in extra cash, or items (at 1/3 value) or some acceptable form of IOU ("I'll cover your loss if you do a job for me...").
Example: A player (EL5) with a stake of 1SC finds himself a large, comfortable venue. The GM figures that average skill is 3, and rolls a "2" for the size. The "house" has a skill of 5. Rolling the dice, the player gets a "5","10","2" for a total of 22. The house gets "3","4","5" for a total of 17. The player wins by 5, so his basic payout is 10% which is doubled due to the size of the venue (2CC). He also had the highest die, which beats the house's "hand", so this payout is doubled to 4CC profit for his night of gambling.
Now say the character felt he had a good hand and decided to go for it and double down. He rolls a "2", giving him a 24. The house rolls a "7", giving it a 24 as well. In this case it's a push, so the player loses nothing (and wins nothing). If the house had rolled an "8" here, the player would have lost and would owe the basic cost of 2CC, doubled to 4CC for the double down. However, he still would have had the high die, so his loss is cut in half to 2CC.
If the house had rolled a "5" the player would still have won, just won less. His basic winnings would have been 2CC, doubled to 4CC for the double down. But the house's pair beats his high die, so his actual winnings are cut to a third, rounded down (1CC).
As you can see, the player has 3 points of choice here: 1) Stake, 2)Venue (to some degree) and 3) Double down. There is nothing that says the group cannot RP this in some how. A fantastic win could lead to claims of cheating and all that might entail. The actual cheating rules can still be used (with the added EL obviously upping the chance of winning as well as the basic payout). For detecting cheaters, use the house's skill as the gambling EL and assume Em of 10 in most cases, 20 if around a lot of pros.
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From: pnp-bounces at abroere.xs4all.nl [mailto:pnp-bounces at abroere.xs4all.nl] On Behalf Of Scott Adams
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [PnP] Gambling Ho!
At 02:52 PM 11/1/06, Choinski, Burton wrote:
>In my legends game, the characters started off pretty much penniless. They managed to get some odd coppers with some banditry, but finally they reached civilization. They decided to have the best gambler take a bit of their money (he is EL 8) and try and spawn it up into a bit more cash.
I've not done a 'gambline' session in some time and its more rare these days to do so. I'm in favor of a quick and easy system than something complex like this. Looks good but doubt I'd use it. I'd rather just make maybe 1-3 rolls and check some charts I'd generate :)
But the thing is that it as always depends....different cultures not all have the same card games. Some differ. So doing one basic system might not work for a large campaign. Elfs and Dwarves would even have a alien type gambling system to humans.
Course to be honest since its a role playing game we'd just role play it out than roll dice. If it was a card game we'd play one me being the house and the other gamblers. Dice games. Same thing. Was a bit more fun that way to see it in the flesh. They enjoyed that than using some charts and such.
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