[PnP] Soul Daivas and Spiritual Edimmu

[J Hooten]

I think any weapon that does Enl damage will work in this case to damage 
the Soul Daiva.
But that is not commonly available.

Alex Koponen wrote:
>     Summoning a Soul Daiva, is it optional for them or are they 
> guaranteed to arrive if the spell is successfully cast? After all a Soul 
> Daiva is supposedly immune to the nearly every spell, presumably 
> including the Summoning spell. Thus is a Summoning spell effectively 
> only saying "Here kitty, kitty. Come get your dinner." Or is a Summoning 
> spell going to grab them regardless of their wishes?
>
>     According to their description Soul Daivas are immune to nearly 
> everything except other Soul Daivas - physically immune and magically 
> only being affected by Banish Chaos spells and perhaps communication 
> spells. Supposedly weapons dedicated to their destruction WILL damage a 
> Soul Daiva. However the Dedication spell requires something (preferably 
> blood) from the thing that it is dedicated for or against. Soul Daivas 
> being energy ball type critters don't leave behind such mementos. The 
> one way to do so is to somehow constrain a Soul Daiva into the weapon as 
> mentioned in the creature description.
>
>     This IS problematical as they can pass thru any physical obstacle. 
> One obvious way to tie the Soul Daiva to a weapon is to Permanently 
> Summon the Soul Daiva to the weapon (restricting it to the weapon's 
> damaging locations) having cast Permanency on the Summoning spell. This 
> would only work if the Soul Daiva was not immune to the Summon spell. 
> Alternatively a sufficiently convoluted Banish Chaos spell (like using 
> magnets to constrain a fusion reaction) might be used to constrain a 
> Soul Daiva into a weapon and be made permanent. Note that should such a 
> weapon break or otherwise release the Soul Daiva one could expect it to 
> attempt to track down and destroy whoever put it into the weapon. If 
> used to attack another Soul Daiva would any enchantment bonuses on the 
> weapon apply? (I would say yes.) Most magical weapons have NO effect on 
> Soul Daivas. Would the Soul Daiva in the weapon be able to feed 
> (probably) or be fed upon by other Soul Daivas (again probably).
>
> [Note that with an MDV of 24 a Dispel Chaos has to be at least EL6 ((at 
> EL+2)x3) to affect Soul Daivas. This raises the question of WHAT happens 
> when a dispel does not fail but is simply too low an EL for the listed 
> MDV limit? Was casting that EL of Dispel a waste of time? Does it work 
> after all? Might it work with a penalty?]
>
> Similar techniques could be used to constrain a Spectre into a weapon 
> using shamanic or priestly magic as Spiritual Edimmu (Spectres) are 
> immune to Sidh and Wizard spells. The same question applies regarding 
> Summoning. If a sidh magician or human wizard casts summoning to get a 
> Spiritual Edimmu would the spell work? Might it work if it were hungry? 
> And if they can't affect it with their magics why can shamans and 
> priests? (Perhaps they work more on the spiritual plane?)
>
> Since Spectres do spiritual damage would they be able to damage a Soul 
> Daiva? And vice versa? Would a weapon containing a Spectre be able to 
> hurt or kill a Soul Daiva? And vice versa? Is spiritual neither physical 
> nor magical? Why wouldn't a shamanic Spirit Cage work against Soul 
> Daivas? Though a magical spell it IS designed to contain spirits. 
> Granted one would want to make it a VERY STRONG spirit cage.
>
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