[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 121, Issue 1-Magic Items value

Bessie Hadley eleabess at sbcglobal.net
Wed Oct 14 20:28:43 CEST 2015


To Mailing List Members,

As I (thought I had) clearly stated in my original email, I need to find where the value of Magical Items (such as wands and talismans) can be determined. I stated I already knew how to figure the value of Natural Magic Items, so I don't need that information (found it on P&P wesite)

I need the information on man/creature-created Magical Items. I found it somewhere in my P&P books, but cannot find it now. Where in the four books, or Book of Tables is it found? Can you please, please help me? I keep looking & not finding it.

Sorry about the confusion - I thought I was clear.

Still hoping for an answer,

Bess L. Hadley 

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    1. Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items (Wout Broere)
    2. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
       ( Thomas O. Magann Jr.)
    3. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
       (pming at northwestel.net)
    4. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items (TNT)
    5. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items (Scott Adams)
    6. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items (Alex Koponen)
 
 
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 Message: 1
 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:28:28 +0200
 From: Wout Broere <broere at powersandperils.org>
 To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
 Subject: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic Items
 Message-ID: <561D312C.2020406 at powersandperils.org>
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       I  cannot find where I saw in my
 books
   how to determine the value of magical items. I have
 the
   article on values of Natural Magic items, but I know
 that
   MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
 items.
       I just got a Healing talisman and a
 wand in my
   game, and this particular group has no magicians
 (they are
   scholars), so need to know what to record for my
   novelization of this adventure, when they find an elf
 or
   magician to help them determine alignment and value
 (I know,
   as creator, but they don't)
       Thanks for any help. I have books 1-4
 and the
   Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/ a
 1/84 on
   the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables are
   copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left corner of
 back
   cover. (Are these the  older books or the
 newer?)
       Thanks again for your help, (hope I
 didn't
   mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
 spelling)
       Bess L. Hadley
 
 
 [Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
 
 
 
 
 
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 Message: 2
 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:50:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
 From: " Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tmagann at earthlink.net>
 To: Bessie Hadley <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>, 
 The Powers and Perils
     Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>, 
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 Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
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 Healing Talismans and Wands are not Natural magic items.
 Permanent Magics and in Book 2, and section 2.263 of book 4
 describe created items such as these, and how to determine
 mel and el of made or found items.
 
 For actual Natural Items, many 't need a mel or el, others
 come with it predetermined in the description.
 
 On the other hand, if you're just looking to have stats for
 resisting Dispel, the mel of the caster, and el of his or
 her enhancement spell (the one that enhanced the material in
 the first place) would apply.
 
 But, really, for *Natural* magic items, Resisting Dispel is
 the only reason el or el would have to be determined beyond
 what is listed int he items description
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 >From: Wout Broere <broere at powersandperils.org>
 >Sent: Oct 13, 2015 9:28 AM
 >To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
 >Subject: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
 >
 >      I  cannot find where I saw in
 my books
 >  how to determine the value of magical items. I
 have the
 >  article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
 know that
 >  MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
 items.
 >      I just got a Healing talisman and a
 wand in my
 >  game, and this particular group has no magicians
 (they are
 >  scholars), so need to know what to record for my
 >  novelization of this adventure, when they find an
 elf or
 >  magician to help them determine alignment and
 value (I know,
 >  as creator, but they don't)
 >      Thanks for any help. I have books
 1-4 and the
 >  Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
 a 1/84 on
 >  the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
 are
 >  copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
 corner of back
 >  cover. (Are these the  older books or the
 newer?)
 >      Thanks again for your help, (hope I
 didn't
 >  mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
 spelling)
 >      Bess L. Hadley
 >
 >
 >[Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
 >
 >
 >
 >_______________________________________________
 >pnp mailing list
 >pnp at list.powersandperils.org
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 Message: 3
 Date: 13 Oct 2015 10:43:34 -0700
 From: pming at northwestel.net
 To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
 Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
 Message-ID: <20151013104334.45473E28E328CADC at northwestel.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
 
 Hiya!
 
  I don't remember seeing it... and I've been playing P&P
 since it 
 came out in '83. Of course, that game sill surprises me with
 
 stuff I didn't know or *thought* I knew, so...who knows? ;)
 
   The closest I can think of is under Equipment.
 There's a a 
 secion for buying magic items (potions, swords, etc). Maybe
 
 that's what you are thinking about?
 
   I'm just getting started to launch another P&P
 campaign, so 
 maybe I'll find it. If I do, I'll be sure to post book and
 page 
 number for you. :)
 
 ^_^
 
 Paul L. Ming
 
 
 
 ***** ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****
 
 
 Healing Talismans and Wands are not Natural magic items. 
 Permanent Magics and in Book 2, and section 2.263 of book 4
 
 describe created items such as these, and how to determine
 mel 
 and el of made or found items.
 
 For actual Natural Items, many 't need a mel or el, others
 come 
 with it predetermined in the description.
 
 On the other hand, if you're just looking to have stats for
 
 resisting Dispel, the mel of the caster, and el of his or
 her 
 enhancement spell (the one that enhanced the material in the
 
 first place) would apply.
 
 But, really, for *Natural* magic items, Resisting Dispel is
 the 
 only reason el or el would have to be determined beyond what
 is 
 listed int he items description
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 >From: Wout Broere <broere at powersandperils.org>
 >Sent: Oct 13, 2015 9:28 AM
 >To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List 
 <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
 >Subject: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
 >
 >      I  cannot find where I saw in
 my books
 >  how to determine the value of magical items. I
 have the
 >  article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
 know that
 >  MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
 items.
 >      I just got a Healing talisman and a
 wand in my
 >  game, and this particular group has no magicians
 (they are
 >  scholars), so need to know what to record for my
 >  novelization of this adventure, when they find an
 elf or
 >  magician to help them determine alignment and
 value (I know,
 >  as creator, but they don't)
 >      Thanks for any help. I have books
 1-4 and the
 >  Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
 a 1/84 on
 >  the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
 are
 >  copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
 corner of back
 >  cover. (Are these the  older books or the
 newer?)
 >      Thanks again for your help, (hope I
 didn't
 >  mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
 spelling)
 >      Bess L. Hadley
 >
 >
 >[Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
 >
 >
 >
 >_______________________________________________
 >pnp mailing list
 >pnp at list.powersandperils.org
 >http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp
 
 
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 Message: 4
 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:55:09 +0200
 From: "TNT" <tanghet at skynet.be>
 To: "'Bessie Hadley'" <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>,
 "'The Powers and
     Perils Mailing List'" <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
 Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
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 Content-Type: text/plain;   
 charset="iso-8859-1"
 
 Would you like to have my own formula from my own version of
 PP ?
 
 -----Message d'origine-----
 De?: pnp [mailto:pnp-bounces at list.powersandperils.org]
 De la part de Wout
 Broere
 Envoy??: mardi 13 octobre 2015 18:28
 ??: The Powers and Perils Mailing List
 Objet?: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic Items
 
       I  cannot find where I saw in my
 books
   how to determine the value of magical items. I have
 the
   article on values of Natural Magic items, but I know
 that
   MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
 items.
       I just got a Healing talisman and a
 wand in my
   game, and this particular group has no magicians
 (they are
   scholars), so need to know what to record for my
   novelization of this adventure, when they find an elf
 or
   magician to help them determine alignment and value
 (I know,
   as creator, but they don't)
       Thanks for any help. I have books 1-4
 and the
   Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/ a
 1/84 on
   the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables are
   copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left corner of
 back
   cover. (Are these the  older books or the
 newer?)
       Thanks again for your help, (hope I
 didn't
   mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
 spelling)
       Bess L. Hadley
 
 
 [Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
 
 
 
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 Message: 5
 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:58:06 -0400
 From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
 To: Bessie Hadley <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>,
 The Powers and Perils
     Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
 Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
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 One of the Errata Docments.
 http://www.powersandperils.org/errata.htm#Magic
 
 That what your looking for?
 
 
 At 12:28 PM 10/13/2015, you wrote:
 >      I  cannot find where I saw in
 my books
 >  how to determine the value of magical items. I
 have the
 >  article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
 know that
 >  MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
 items.
 >      I just got a Healing talisman and a
 wand in my
 >  game, and this particular group has no magicians
 (they are
 >  scholars), so need to know what to record for my
 >  novelization of this adventure, when they find an
 elf or
 >  magician to help them determine alignment and
 value (I know,
 >  as creator, but they don't)
 >      Thanks for any help. I have books
 1-4 and the
 >  Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
 a 1/84 on
 >  the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
 are
 >  copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
 corner of back
 >  cover. (Are these the  older books or the
 newer?)
 >      Thanks again for your help, (hope I
 didn't
 >  mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
 spelling)
 >      Bess L. Hadley
 >
 >
 >[Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
 >
 >
 >
 >_______________________________________________
 >pnp mailing list
 >pnp at list.powersandperils.org
 >http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp
 
 
 
 
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 Message: 6
 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:11:37 -0800
 From: Alex Koponen <akoponen at mosquitonet.com>
 To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
 Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
 Items
 Message-ID: <561D6579.1070801 at mosquitonet.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252;
 format=flowed
 
 P.46 of the Book of Tables shows how to find the value of
 magic items, 
 including Natural Magic Items.
 
          Alex K
 
 On 10/13/2015 8:28 AM, Wout Broere wrote:
 >      I  cannot find where I saw in
 my books
 >  how to determine the value of magical items. I
 have the
 >  article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
 know that
 >  MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
 items.
 >      I just got a Healing talisman and a
 wand in my
 >  game, and this particular group has no magicians
 (they are
 >  scholars), so need to know what to record for my
 >  novelization of this adventure, when they find an
 elf or
 >  magician to help them determine alignment and
 value (I know,
 >  as creator, but they don't)
 >      Thanks for any help. I have books
 1-4 and the
 >  Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
 a 1/84 on
 >  the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
 are
 >  copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
 corner of back
 >  cover. (Are these the  older books or the
 newer?)
 >      Thanks again for your help, (hope I
 didn't
 >  mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
 spelling)
 >      Bess L. Hadley
 >
 >
 > [Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
 >
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > pnp mailing list
 > pnp at list.powersandperils.org
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