[PnP] Shield expertise

[Scott Adams]

I found this in my pdf converted to text version 
of book 1 v1.  Keep in mind pdf-text conversoins 
are not perfect.  Some characters go missing and some plus signs go wacky.
Maybe this is where he is seeing the comment on partial?
This is unedited just a cut/past of th esection.  See excepton at bottom
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Table 2.1: Expertise Gain
Skill Type Point Gain
Combat Skill CDF* 2
Other Skill 1D10
Magic Skill See 4.2.1.1
*See 4.3



EXAMPLE | A character with EL3 in the Dagger uses it to
score a hit in a battle. He will gain CDF 2 Expertise points for
using it in that battle. If a Jeweler succeeds in determining the
value of a gem he gains 1D10 points towards increasing his skill
as a Jeweler.



The points above are gained for Success. For 
Combat Skills, success is scoring damage. For other skills, success if



getting the desired result.
EXCEPTION | Shield users succeed when they block a
Shield Hit in battle. If their shield is not hit, Partial Success
will apply.
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That last line?
v2 it has a few more words but same thing.
So if partial succ then I guess I can see partial expertise.
I guess what he means.
I'm tired (midnight) so this was just a quick scan of files.






2.2.3 Partial Success

At 09:41 PM 11/6/2016, you wrote:
>No, 3.31 is clear: Hit or miss, simply USING a 
>skill in combat grants full expertise. No partial or zero awards, always full.
>
>If you have a reference that says otherwise, 
>I'll give it a read if you can provide a 
>book/page or entry number, but all I can find is 
>section 3.311. Again, page 38 of the 1st book. 
>Now, the rough draft of v2, on the web might say 
>something otherwise, but I'm using the published v1 rules.
>
>Shields are used in combat, hence full expertise 
>is used, no matter what the result. Even a 
>failure in combat teaches something. Possibly 
>more than success does.  This seems to be the 
>clear intent of combat expertise rules.
>
>Now, I can't find a reference to the exception 
>you list below in book 1 or 2. It's quite 
>possible I missed it, but I'm thinking that 
>you're expressing an opinion, which is fine. I 
>was simply stating what the rules actually said. 
>That was the intent of the original question, I believe: What do the rules say?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Sanders
>Sent: Nov 6, 2016 6:17 PM
>To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
>Subject: [PnP] Shield expertise
>
>Thomas...I don't think you are correct on one 
>point, but correct on the expertise award being per encounter.
>
>For weapons, there is partial expertise if there 
>were no hits scored but the skill was used.  The 
>unlucky character then gets one expertise 
>point...and it's called a partial 
>success.  There seem to be no 'failures' for 
>weapons (I assume being cut down is its own form of failure😃).
>
>Shields are slightly different:
>
>"EXCEPTION — Shield users succeed when they 
>block damage. If the shield is not hit Partial Success applies.
>So, for shield hits you get the CDFx2 
>expertise...But it doesn't really address 
>failure.  This may be on purpose as with other 
>combat skills. I don't know. But to me, I could 
>understand an enemy getting a swing and a miss 
>possibly being influenced by the shield use...so 
>a partial expertise is earned.  But then taking 
>a hit would also provide the shielded character 
>an expertise point same as being missed?  Seems 
>odd.  But it could be the intent too.  I can see 
>where getting whacked might encourage you to better shield use.
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Nov 6, 2016, at 2:53 PM, 
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