[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 132, Issue 2 re:water issues - addendum

Bessie Hadley eleabess at sbcglobal.net
Tue Oct 4 21:54:47 CEST 2016


I neglected to say the %'s I gave (noted in post below this one) were per %/hex.


Bess L. Hadley 

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 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 17:08:21 +0000 (UTC)
 From: Bessie Hadley <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>
 To: <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
 Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 132, Issue 1: water
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 I would recommend researching the great prairies of Russia
 & Siberia, as well a the U.S. Google World can provide
 maps that magnify as much as you want. 
 
 But speaking as one who live in Kansas for 3 years as a
 teenager, I can say that water should almost always be
 within 10-30 miles - or at least a stream in every other
 hex. Residents/natives of the area would know where the
 water is & where it is not. Unless it is a desert area,
 then the practical way, to me, who also lived in Arizona
 during college, is to share that there is almost always
 water within 3 days horse-ride - but you need to know where
 it is, and carry plenty of extra if it is hot. I read a lot
 of Louis L'Amour westerns & learned a lot about survival
 in the prairies & deserts of the U.S. I also played
 "Oregon Trail" an educational game for schoolchildren, and
 they had scouts that knew where the water was, usually
 streams & rivers (of all sizes, but often shallow enough
 to cross by wagon).
 
 For the Zenda plains, I would count the # of comparable
 rivers & lakes that are in Mongolia, Russia &
 Siberia & match that. Lake (small) 10%, Lake (large)
 3%), stream (small) 30-40%, river (small, like large creek,
 or one that dries in summer) 20-30%, river (large) 10-20%.
 
 These figures might be off, but my guess is that you'll find
 them relatively accurate, if you check maps. Anyway, they
 make a start for you,anyway. Of course, it also depends on
 if they are travelling parallel to or at angles to the lay
 of the land, since water settles in lower elevations in an
 area, such as valleys, gullies, ditches, hollows, etc. (hee
 hee hee)
 
 Hiring natives as guides is always good, if you can trust
 the local folk. 
 
 Villages? Again, check the maps of the Euro-Asian plains -
 where there are now villages, towns - there have probably
 always been. Tribal enmities would dictate how far apart
 permanent villages would be (no closer than a couple days
 riding) - temporary villages might be easily within a day's
 ride, if part of the same clan, altho too close would
 endanger the plain's recovery from grazing herds (which the
 natives would be aware of).
 
 This letter has been long enough - can you agree that this
 is a practical starting point, however? (lol)
 
 
 Bess L. Hadley 
 
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  Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 15:25:58 +0000
  From: Malc Walker <malcwalker at hotmail.com>
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  Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
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  With regard to water sources and super detailing encounter
  tables. I have to say (respectfully) that P&P is a
  fantasy game. Tables abound with info. Ultimately to much
  detail will destroy interest
  ________________________________
  From: Scott Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>
  Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
  To: broere at powersandperils.org<mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>;
  The Powers and Perils Mailing List<mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
  Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
  
  At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
  >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
  reasonable
  >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background on
  the tables and
  >the red background behind important and optional
  sections. I don't
  >think that new scans would solve that.
  >Wout
  You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site if
  want to.
  I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find more
  before
  fixing it in bulk.
  
  Miinor things like a creature should not be in X terrain.
  
  On a side note.? Anyone do research on water
  sources?? Frequency
  distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
  Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on horse
  needs they
  need water.
  Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
  
  So need to come up with charts for
  * Wells
  * Villages
  * Pond/Lakes
  * Streams
  for water sources.
  Burton did you work on any of this?
  
  So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
 sort
  of probability.
  
  
  
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  From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
  To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
  Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
  Message-ID: <mailman.114.1475512621.2186.pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
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  At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
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  > 
  >boundary="_000_DB3PR05MB5404AF34BC291B56AC8CE8ACAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_"
  >
  >With regard to water sources and super detailing 
  >encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully) 
  >that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with 
  >info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
  >
  >----------
  Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has 
  far more tables.? I've been in those games where 
  it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for 
  ONE round.? So a player need to decide what they 
  want.? I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of 
  the fantasy systems out there.
  
  As to water..well I solved it.? A certain spell will do
  it very nicely. :)
  
  
  
  
  >From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
  Adams
  >Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
  >To: 
  ><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
  
  ><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
  Powers and Perils Mailing List
  >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 -
 scans
  >
  >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
  > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
  reasonable
  > >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey
 background
  on the tables and
  > >the red background behind important and optional
  sections. I don't
  > >think that new scans would solve that.
  > >Wout
  >You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
  if want to.
  >I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
  more before
  >fixing it in bulk.
  >
  >Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
  terrain.
  >
  >On a side note.? Anyone do research on water
  sources?? Frequency
  >distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
  >Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
  horse needs they
  >need water.
  >Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
  >
  >So need to come up with charts for
  >* Wells
  >* Villages
  >* Pond/Lakes
  >* Streams
  >for water sources.
  >Burton did you work on any of this?
  >
  >So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
  sort of probability.
  >
  >
  >
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  Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 16:36:27 +0000
  From: Malc Walker <malcwalker at hotmail.com>
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  Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
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  The art of the gamesmaster, and I use the word
 intentionally
  is to entertain his players. I agree, Powers & Perils
 is
  a great game. I repeat again, no need for water tables.
  Better the sound of running water and players startling a
  bear drinking from a pool
  ________________________________
  From: Scott Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>
  Sent: ?03/?10/?2016 17:14
  To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List<mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
  Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
  
  At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
  >Content-Language: en-GB
  >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
  >
  >boundary="_000_DB3PR05MB5404AF34BC291B56AC8CE8ACAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_"
  >
  >With regard to water sources and super detailing
  >encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
  >that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
  >info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
  >
  >----------
  Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
  far more tables.? I've been in those games where
  it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
  ONE round.? So a player need to decide what they
  want.? I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
  the fantasy systems out there.
  
  As to water..well I solved it.? A certain spell will do
  it very nicely. :)
  
  
  
  
  >From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
  Adams
  >Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
  >To:
  ><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
  ><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
  Powers and Perils Mailing List
  >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 -
 scans
  >
  >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
  > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
  reasonable
  > >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey
 background
  on the tables and
  > >the red background behind important and optional
  sections. I don't
  > >think that new scans would solve that.
  > >Wout
  >You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
  if want to.
  >I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
  more before
  >fixing it in bulk.
  >
  >Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
  terrain.
  >
  >On a side note.? Anyone do research on water
  sources?? Frequency
  >distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
  >Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
  horse needs they
  >need water.
  >Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
  >
  >So need to come up with charts for
  >* Wells
  >* Villages
  >* Pond/Lakes
  >* Streams
  >for water sources.
  >Burton did you work on any of this?
  >
  >So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
  sort of probability.
  >
  >
  >
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 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:10:42 -0400
 From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
 To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
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 Well in my pbem this is adventure #7 since 
 1999.  I increased in reality/complexity over the
 years.
 This was to balance player high levels.
 So first adventure no real detail on food it was just
 'assumed".
 Gradually from food to inns, etc.  Now its water 
 because they are on the Zen'da plains in winter.
 All riding.  So I did some chart for how far 
 between each piont a village/water source (like pond). 
 Based
 on population/number of hexes.  Now I have that data.
 But one spell a player knows will solve it regardless. :)
 When horses need 20-40 quarts per day and I 
 calculated based on random factors over 3 they needed over
 1600 quarts
 water is important for horses.
 I'm a detail person being a programmer.  So I 
 don't mind the detail complexity at this point.
 If it was old route Sivas to Ticasi over road 
 sure no big deal Inns/water sources galore.  But
 plains
 are desolate.
 
 
 
 
 At 12:36 PM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
 >Content-Language: en-GB
 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 > 
 >boundary="_000_DB3PR05MB540D5FE946B2D47FDC6A4FDCAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_"
 >
 >The art of the gamesmaster, and I use the word 
 >intentionally is to entertain his players. I 
 >agree, Powers & Perils is a great game. I repeat 
 >again, no need for water tables. Better the 
 >sound of running water and players startling a bear
 drinking from a pool
 >
 >----------
 >From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
 Adams
 >Sent: ???03/???10/???2016 17:14
 >To: <mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
 Powers and Perils Mailing List
 >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
 >
 >At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
 > >Content-Language: en-GB
 > >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 > >
 >
 >boundary="_000_DB3PR05MB5404AF34BC291B56AC8CE8ACAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_"
 > >
 > >With regard to water sources and super detailing
 > >encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
 > >that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
 > >info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy
 interest
 > >
 > >----------
 >Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
 >far more tables.  I've been in those games where
 >it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
 >ONE round.  So a player need to decide what they
 >want.  I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
 >the fantasy systems out there.
 >
 >As to water..well I solved it.  A certain spell
 will do it very nicely. :)
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > >From: 
 > <<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
 Adams
 > >Sent: ??27/??09/??2016 22:38
 > >To:
 > ><<mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>mailto:broe
 
 > re at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
 > ><<mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>mailto:pn
 
 > p at list.powersandperils.org>The
 Powers and Perils Mailing List
 > >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 -
 scans
 > >
 > >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
 > > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I
 have a reasonable
 > > >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey
 background on the tables and
 > > >the red background behind important and
 optional sections. I don't
 > > >think that new scans would solve that.
 > > >Wout
 > >You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to
 site if want to.
 > >I've noticed minor issues but will see if others
 find more before
 > >fixing it in bulk.
 > >
 > >Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
 terrain.
 > >
 > >On a side note.  Anyone do research on water
 sources?  Frequency
 > >distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
 > >Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
 horse needs they
 > >need water.
 > >Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
 > >
 > >So need to come up with charts for
 > >* Wells
 > >* Villages
 > >* Pond/Lakes
 > >* Streams
 > >for water sources.
 > >Burton did you work on any of this?
 > >
 > >So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond
 that sort of probability.
 > >
 > >
 > >
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