[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 132, Issue 1: water issue

Scott Adams longshotgm at comcast.net
Wed Oct 5 05:25:28 CEST 2016 

Good stuff.  But Zen'da is more american west per 
culture book.  But I came up with a simple 2 set 
of charts ofr villages based on population 
stats/hexes and water sources.  But water is non 
issue now as a player has a spell that cna water 
the horses for 3 days of worth in on a spell :)
Thanks but good stuff.


At 01:08 PM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
>I would recommend researching the great prairies 
>of Russia & Siberia, as well a the U.S. Google 
>World can provide maps that magnify as much as 
>you want. But speaking as one who live in Kansas 
>for 3 years as a teenager, I can say that water 
>should almost always be within 10-30 miles - or 
>at least a stream in every other hex. 
>Residents/natives of the area would know where 
>the water is & where it is not. Unless it is a 
>desert area, then the practical way, to me, who 
>also lived in Arizona during college, is to 
>share that there is almost always water within 3 
>days horse-ride - but you need to know where it 
>is, and carry plenty of extra if it is hot. I 
>read a lot of Louis L'Amour westerns & learned a 
>lot about survival in the prairies & deserts of 
>the U.S. I also played "Oregon Trail" an 
>educational game for schoolchildren, and they 
>had scouts that knew where the water was, 
>usually streams & rivers (of all sizes, but 
>often shallow enough to cross by wagon). For the 
>Zenda plains, I would count the # of comparable 
>rivers & lakes that are in Mongolia, Russia & 
>Siberia & match that. Lake (small) 10%, Lake 
>(large) 3%), stream (small) 30-40%, river 
>(small, like large creek, or one that dries in 
>summer) 20-30%, river (large) 10-20%. These 
>figures might be off, but my guess is that 
>you'll find them relatively accurate, if you 
>check maps. Anyway, they make a start for 
>you,anyway. Of course, it also depends on if 
>they are travelling parallel to or at angles to 
>the lay of the land, since water settles in 
>lower elevations in an area, such as valleys, 
>gullies, ditches, hollows, etc. (hee hee hee) 
>Hiring natives as guides is always good, if you 
>can trust the local folk. Villages? Again, check 
>the maps of the Euro-Asian plains - where there 
>are now villages, towns - there have probably 
>always been. Tribal enmities would dictate how 
>far apart permanent villages would be (no closer 
>than a couple days riding) - temporary villages 
>might be easily within a day's ride, if part of 
>the same clan, altho too close would endanger 
>the plain's recovery from grazing herds (which 
>the natives would be aware of). This letter has 
>been long enough - can you agree that this is a 
>practical starting point, however? (lol) Bess L. 
>Hadley 
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>From: Malc Walker <malcwalker at hotmail.com> To: 
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><pnp at list.powersandperils.org> Subject: Re: 
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>charset="cp1256" With regard to water sources 
>and super detailing encounter tables. I have to 
>say (respectfully) that P&P is a fantasy game. 
>Tables abound with info. Ultimately to much 
>detail will destroy interest 
>________________________________ From: Scott 
>Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net> Sent: 
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>- scans At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you 
>wrote: >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans 
>I have a reasonable >quality, but the OCR chokes 
>on the grey background on the tables and >the 
>red background behind important and optional 
>sections. I don't >think that new scans would 
>solve that. >Wout You can add my Weather and v2 
>Encounter Charts to site if want to. I've 
>noticed minor issues but will see if others find 
>more before fixing it in bulk. Miinor things 
>like a creature should not be in X terrain. On a 
>side note.  Anyone do research on water 
>sources?  Frequency distribution of 
>lake/ponds/rivers? Got folks traveling over 
>Zen'da plains and based on horse needs they need 
>water. Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt 
>much. So need to come up with charts for * Wells 
>* Villages * Pond/Lakes * Streams for water 
>sources. Burton did you work on any of this? So 
>given a single hex what's the chance of a pond 
>that sort of probability. 
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>Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net> To: The Powers 
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>  > >With regard to water sources and super 
>detailing >encounter tables. I have to say 
>(respectfully) >that P&P is a fantasy game. 
>Tables abound with >info. Ultimately to much 
>detail will destroy interest > >---------- Yet a 
>system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has far 
>more tables.  I've been in those games where it 
>takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for ONE 
>round.  So a player need to decide what they 
>want.  I stil think pnp is far better than 99% 
>of the fantasy systems out there. As to 
>water..well I solved it.  A certain spell will 
>do it very nicely. :) >From: 
><mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott 
>Adams >Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 
>22:38 >To: ><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>br 
>oere at powersandperils.org; ><mailto:pnp at list.power 
>sandperils.org>The Powers and Perils Mailing 
>List >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, 
>Issue 7 - scans > >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you 
>wrote: > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the 
>scans I have a reasonable > >quality, but the 
>OCR chokes on the grey background on the tables 
>and > >the red background behind important and 
>optional sections. I don't > >think that new 
>scans would solve that. > >Wout >You can add my 
>Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site if want 
>to. >I've noticed minor issues but will see if 
>others find more before >fixing it in 
>bulk. > >Miinor things like a creature should 
>not be in X terrain. > >On a side note.  Anyone 
>do research on water 
>sources?  Frequency >distribution of 
>lake/ponds/rivers? >Got folks traveling over 
>Zen'da plains and based on horse needs 
>they >need water. >Carrying 150 odd quarts per 
>da yis a bt much. > >So need to come up with 
>charts for >* Wells >* Villages >* Pond/Lakes >* 
>Streams >for water sources. >Burton did you work 
>on any of this? > >So given a single hex what's 
>the chance of a pond that sort of 
>probability. > > > >_____________________________ 
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>The art of the gamesmaster, and I use the word 
>intentionally is to entertain his players. I 
>agree, Powers & Perils is a great game. I repeat 
>again, no need for water tables. Better the 
>sound of running water and players startling a 
>bear drinking from a pool 
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>Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net> Sent: 
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>- scans At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you 
>wrote: >Content-Language: en-GB >Content-Type: 
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>B5404AF34BC291B56AC8CE8ACAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_" 
>  > >With regard to water sources and super 
>detailing >encounter tables. I have to say 
>(respectfully) >that P&P is a fantasy game. 
>Tables abound with >info. Ultimately to much 
>detail will destroy interest > >---------- Yet a 
>system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has far 
>more tables.  I've been in those games where it 
>takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for ONE 
>round.  So a player need to decide what they 
>want.  I stil think pnp is far better than 99% 
>of the fantasy systems out there. As to 
>water..well I solved it.  A certain spell will 
>do it very nicely. :) >From: 
><mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott 
>Adams >Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 
>22:38 >To: ><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>br 
>oere at powersandperils.org; ><mailto:pnp at list.power 
>sandperils.org>The Powers and Perils Mailing 
>List >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, 
>Issue 7 - scans > >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you 
>wrote: > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the 
>scans I have a reasonable > >quality, but the 
>OCR chokes on the grey background on the tables 
>and > >the red background behind important and 
>optional sections. I don't > >think that new 
>scans would solve that. > >Wout >You can add my 
>Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site if want 
>to. >I've noticed minor issues but will see if 
>others find more before >fixing it in 
>bulk. > >Miinor things like a creature should 
>not be in X terrain. > >On a side note.  Anyone 
>do research on water 
>sources?  Frequency >distribution of 
>lake/ponds/rivers? >Got folks traveling over 
>Zen'da plains and based on horse needs 
>they >need water. >Carrying 150 odd quarts per 
>da yis a bt much. > >So need to come up with 
>charts for >* Wells >* Villages >* Pond/Lakes >* 
>Streams >for water sources. >Burton did you work 
>on any of this? > >So given a single hex what's 
>the chance of a pond that sort of 
>probability. > > > >_____________________________ 
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