[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 132, Issue 1: water issue
Bessie Hadley
eleabess at sbcglobal.net
Mon Oct 3 19:08:21 CEST 2016
I would recommend researching the great prairies of Russia & Siberia, as well a the U.S. Google World can provide maps that magnify as much as you want.
But speaking as one who live in Kansas for 3 years as a teenager, I can say that water should almost always be within 10-30 miles - or at least a stream in every other hex. Residents/natives of the area would know where the water is & where it is not. Unless it is a desert area, then the practical way, to me, who also lived in Arizona during college, is to share that there is almost always water within 3 days horse-ride - but you need to know where it is, and carry plenty of extra if it is hot. I read a lot of Louis L'Amour westerns & learned a lot about survival in the prairies & deserts of the U.S. I also played "Oregon Trail" an educational game for schoolchildren, and they had scouts that knew where the water was, usually streams & rivers (of all sizes, but often shallow enough to cross by wagon).
For the Zenda plains, I would count the # of comparable rivers & lakes that are in Mongolia, Russia & Siberia & match that. Lake (small) 10%, Lake (large) 3%), stream (small) 30-40%, river (small, like large creek, or one that dries in summer) 20-30%, river (large) 10-20%.
These figures might be off, but my guess is that you'll find them relatively accurate, if you check maps. Anyway, they make a start for you,anyway. Of course, it also depends on if they are travelling parallel to or at angles to the lay of the land, since water settles in lower elevations in an area, such as valleys, gullies, ditches, hollows, etc. (hee hee hee)
Hiring natives as guides is always good, if you can trust the local folk.
Villages? Again, check the maps of the Euro-Asian plains - where there are now villages, towns - there have probably always been. Tribal enmities would dictate how far apart permanent villages would be (no closer than a couple days riding) - temporary villages might be easily within a day's ride, if part of the same clan, altho too close would endanger the plain's recovery from grazing herds (which the natives would be aware of).
This letter has been long enough - can you agree that this is a practical starting point, however? (lol)
Bess L. Hadley
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 15:25:58 +0000
From: Malc Walker <malcwalker at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
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With regard to water sources and super detailing encounter
tables. I have to say (respectfully) that P&P is a
fantasy game. Tables abound with info. Ultimately to much
detail will destroy interest
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From: Scott Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>
Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
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Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
>Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
reasonable
>quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background on
the tables and
>the red background behind important and optional
sections. I don't
>think that new scans would solve that.
>Wout
You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site if
want to.
I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find more
before
fixing it in bulk.
Miinor things like a creature should not be in X terrain.
On a side note. Anyone do research on water
sources? Frequency
distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on horse
needs they
need water.
Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
So need to come up with charts for
* Wells
* Villages
* Pond/Lakes
* Streams
for water sources.
Burton did you work on any of this?
So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that sort
of probability.
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From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
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>With regard to water sources and super detailing
>encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
>that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
>info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
>
>----------
Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
far more tables. I've been in those games where
it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
ONE round. So a player need to decide what they
want. I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
the fantasy systems out there.
As to water..well I solved it. A certain spell will do
it very nicely. :)
>From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
Adams
>Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
>To:
><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
Powers and Perils Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
>
>At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
> >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
reasonable
> >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background
on the tables and
> >the red background behind important and optional
sections. I don't
> >think that new scans would solve that.
> >Wout
>You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
if want to.
>I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
more before
>fixing it in bulk.
>
>Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
terrain.
>
>On a side note. Anyone do research on water
sources? Frequency
>distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
>Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
horse needs they
>need water.
>Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
>
>So need to come up with charts for
>* Wells
>* Villages
>* Pond/Lakes
>* Streams
>for water sources.
>Burton did you work on any of this?
>
>So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
sort of probability.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 16:36:27 +0000
From: Malc Walker <malcwalker at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
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The art of the gamesmaster, and I use the word intentionally
is to entertain his players. I agree, Powers & Perils is
a great game. I repeat again, no need for water tables.
Better the sound of running water and players startling a
bear drinking from a pool
________________________________
From: Scott Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>
Sent: ?03/?10/?2016 17:14
To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List<mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
>Content-Language: en-GB
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>
>boundary="_000_DB3PR05MB5404AF34BC291B56AC8CE8ACAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_"
>
>With regard to water sources and super detailing
>encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
>that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
>info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
>
>----------
Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
far more tables. I've been in those games where
it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
ONE round. So a player need to decide what they
want. I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
the fantasy systems out there.
As to water..well I solved it. A certain spell will do
it very nicely. :)
>From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
Adams
>Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
>To:
><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
Powers and Perils Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
>
>At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
> >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
reasonable
> >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background
on the tables and
> >the red background behind important and optional
sections. I don't
> >think that new scans would solve that.
> >Wout
>You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
if want to.
>I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
more before
>fixing it in bulk.
>
>Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
terrain.
>
>On a side note. Anyone do research on water
sources? Frequency
>distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
>Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
horse needs they
>need water.
>Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
>
>So need to come up with charts for
>* Wells
>* Villages
>* Pond/Lakes
>* Streams
>for water sources.
>Burton did you work on any of this?
>
>So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
sort of probability.
>
>
>
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