[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 135, Issue 10: Familiar/Binding

Tue Jan 31 22:16:47 CET 2017

To me a Familiar would be persauded or 
grown.  ike the Vlad book series where you can go 
to jungle ana Jhereg will either kill or implant 
on you.  So it'd be a friend.  To me it could be 
naturally superior like a fire snake or 
Daete'Mirir? the good one not the bad ver.  So a 
dog/cat/cow or whatever that implants on you or 
that you find and befriends.  But one could use a 
attribute effect item to boost Int or such.  But 
then what we need ot figure out a generic 
parameter set.  So do they boost CA?  Do they boost casting speed? etc.

Portals are to me 3 
versions.  Teleport/Translocate is could be argued a portal in some way.
Then there is the perm portals like AValon where 
it connects you to (lower or was it upper? world).
These points can't be moved to me. Most times its from divine methods.
But a wizard using a Interworld or Sidh using 
such? Sure those can be probably moved by recasting.  Ok. That's cheating ;)
But I suppose one could hmmm....use some ritual 
to move it.  Priest Rituals.  For Wizard...
I can't recall a spell off hand.  I suppose could 
Oblivion the portal and it have it reappear if you use Oblivion in that way?
But i susppose if one could come up with a ritual 
to move it it could be done.  But Why not just recast it?
So i assume you mean the special ones.  I think 
only a god or avatar could do those? Good questoin.  I'll have to hink on it.

'Talents - Check out Wout's pdf.  I looked at it 
couple months ago But I believe its there.  If 
not let me know can cut/paste what i have.
Itis in v2 book 2

At 12:45 PM 1/27/2017, you wrote:
>haven't yet tried either. It seems that an 
>animal familiar would be to be a friend 
>(trusting that works both ways), and perhaps 
>enhanced intelligence. Enhancing intelligence I 
>could figure out - I'm sure the spell is there 
>somewhere (don't have books handy). But would 
>you want to have even a friendly spirit/demon 
>living in your cat/owl, etc? Maybe so - what 
>does anyone else think? (Hhmmm - spirit? a ghost 
>of a passed friend or family member? - that 
>could be friendly, but what about the magical 
>part?) - these are just my first thoughts about 
>it. Binding seems like an anti-dispell/banish 
>type of spell. Can an existing spell be 
>reversed, or can a characteristic be bound to 
>cause such a result (Empathy for "good" vs 
>"evil"?) I admit binding demons just isn't my 
>thing. Capturing an intelligent creature feels 
>cruel, somehow, to me. Guess that's why I have 
>no necromancers in WoW - lol. Are there small or 
>tiny servants of the "good" gods that would be 
>willing to serve? (How's that for starting a 
>discussion? - hee hee) (another subject):

>Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how to move a 
>portal from one place to another, without 
>someone being at the distal end (perhaps I need 
>to have someone close to that distal spot? - and 
>how far could it be moved?) I've already created 
>an older priest (in 50's) to do this, but he's 
>not strong enough per game rules re PC/NPC 
>creation, so gonna create a much older priest 
>(probably in 70's). That a lot of points to 
>divide and figure up for skills, spells ,etc. It 
>has to feel real per the game. Will be watching 
>to see what folks come up with. (P.S. - I cannot 
>find where "Talents" are found. Can you be more 
>specific? (much more!) I'd like to see if 
>useful, or if a handicap for my PCs at this 
>point. Always fun to be here! Bess L. Hadley

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> format=flowed Let's stir up the pot and get 
> some chat chat going on! 1) Familiar - Ala 
> Black Cat/Witch.Â  Classic.Â  Aside form 
> Witchcraft having a Imp Familiar there is 
> little rules on it. What if a wizard wants a 
> cat? A owl? Sure there are Tonah rules and pets 
> like Firesnake.Â  But has anyone come up with 
> Familiar rules? 2) Binding - Stormbringer 
> leecher of life.Â  Life Sword? If i recall that 
> sorta had something like it.Â  We do have rules 
> (though I can't reclal directly since books not 
> handy) on adding Intellect to like a Suit of 
> Armor to make a automaton guard.Â  A smart 
> broom to clean up.Â  But what about direct 
> binding?Â  Add a demon to a sword like 
> stormbringer to leech life? Or use a ring to 
> hold a demon you can fling out and capture 
> again?Â  Shamans and Priests have magic for 
> holding/trapping things like spirits.Â  But not 
> wizards if i recall. In Elric a game I run the 
> system uses bindings as common as there are 
> magic items in pnp. Any come up with these 2 
> set of rules? ------------------------------ 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The 
> following answers/opinions are all based on V1 
> because..well, that's what I still use, so it's 
> what I'm most familiar with.I assume of V1 can 
> do it, V2 probably can. >1) Familiar - Ala 
> Black Cat/Witch.Â  Classic.Â  Aside form 
> Witchcraft >having a Imp Familiar there is 
> little rules on it. >What if a wizard wants a 
> cat? A owl? Sure there are Tonah rules 
> and >pets like Firesnake.Â  But has anyone come 
> up with Familiar rules? Book 4,page 32, the 
> Familiar item. It's a summoning device keyed to 
> a specific being. Summonable beings, of course, 
> which limits choices a bit, but if you want a 
> normal animal, Tonah are summonable and boosted 
> versions of normal animals. Assuming the maker 
> learns a decent level of Summons aligned to 
> Shamanic Elder, of course. If not, there are 
> plenty of other options. >2) Binding - 
> Stormbringer leecher of life.Â  Life Sword? If 
> i recall >that sorta had something like 
> it.Â  We do have rules (though I can't >reclal 
> directly since books not handy) on adding 
> Intellect to like a >Suit of Armor to make a 
> automaton guard.Â  A smart broom to 
> clean >up.Â  But what about direct 
> binding?Â  Add a demon to a sword 
> like >stormbringer to leech life? > Actually, 
> that's exactly how it's done. Last paragraph of 
> the Soul Daiva page 51 of Book 3. But it's 
> energy it drains, equal to the damage done. 
> Converting it to hits would simply require a 
> Healing spell added to the sword, with a Ward 
> Pact to cast it whenever there is any absorbed 
> energy. That will keep the bearer healed up 
> while he has opponents to damage. >Or use a 
> ring to hold a demon you can fling out and 
> capture >again?Â  Shamans and Priests have 
> magic for holding/trapping things >like 
> spirits.Â  But not wizards if i recall. Well, 
> the Familiar item from Book 4 can do this, too. 
> You just have to make each item for a specific 
> being. Much Like the original Elric rules, 
> actually, except that it's an actual summons 
> each time, rather than just a use of the 
> critter's powers (which was how Elric faked 
> traditional magic using their summons system). 
> But it you want something that can trap a 
> creature repeatedly, rather than just give 
> control over a specific creature, all I see is 
> Spirit Cage. Assuming you can get a Shaman or 
> Druid (or Natural Mage) to Enchant a small 
> wicker cage (probably gilded or plated for 
> durability) with the spell permanently, that's 
> possible, too. Obviously this version would be 
> quite rare. You'd probably want a Command spell 
> added to the second type, simply to have a 
> chance to get the same critter back. That means 
> each item would be most useful against a 
> specific Alignment, and not as much against 
> others. ------------------------------ Message: 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As I 
> think on it, a Soul Daiva bound into a dagger 
> would make a perfect classical sacrificial 
> dagger. Every point of damage done to the bound 
> victim becomes stored energy for fueling 
> spells. Really big spells require multiple 
> sacrifices. Mind you, I'm not recommending this 
> for the good guys, but as something the evil 
> priests and necromancers they're going up 
> against might use. > >Actually, that's exactly 
> how it's done. Last paragraph of the Soul Daiva 
> page 51 of Book 3. But it's energy it drains, 
> equal to the damage done. Converting it to hits 
> would simply require a Healing spell added to 
> the sword, with a Ward Pact to cast it whenever 
> there is any absorbed energy. That will keep 
> the bearer healed up while he has opponents to 
> damage. > ------------------------------ 
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