[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 137, Issue 3

[Scott Adams]

Good point on gods/mels.  To me gods are so powerful they can just 
glance and poof magic.
I do thiink some words are needed.  Dune - think guys using their powers.
So may need to verbalize the effort (ie a martial arts punch with a grunt).



At 12:00 PM 3/12/2017, you wrote:
>The EL of the spell (the power) is determined by stats.  These cap 
>out eventually.  The MEL, however, keeps going.  Also, the innate 
>magics cast faster than do normal spells.
>
>I think that most beings would need to use gestures of some sort to 
>focus their attention on their gift and the target of it, if the 
>magic used is external of ones self.  The magics that affect only 
>the caster shouldn't require any gestures at all.
>
>That being said, I also think that the higher the MEL, the less 
>needed are the gestures.  Do the gods need to gesture to invoke 
>their (essentially innate) power?  I consider them to be over MEL 30.
>
>So...the higher the MEL, the more they could do in addition to 
>casting their innate magic.  If they can cast the spell in less than 
>one phase, allow them some additional action.  Think of the Jedi 
>fighting the robots...they could use the Force (like innate magic) 
>to push away the robots while thy fight.  My limit on this would be 
>that if they require more than one phase to cast, they can't do 
>anything else the entire time it takes to cast the spell.
>
>I also think, though, that innate magics for players wouldn't need 
>gestures if the play if the player did nothing else.  For instance, 
>if tied up, they would have the time to calm themselves and 
>concentrate on their control and target.  Blindfolding them would 
>make hitting their targets much more difficult.
>
>Finally, innate magics might not need verbal components, but there 
>might be times when they are. That would be at the GM's 
>discretion.  Again, maybe MEL would determine.
>
>
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> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:55:57 -0500
> > From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
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> > So MUs can't move and cast OR chew gum and rub stomach at same time.
> >
> > Do Innates suffer this same fate?
> > Since most agree Innate is through thought.
> > I've not thought of this before.
> > I suspect they can move.
> > Since creatures can move/cast.
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> > Can they? Probably. Should they? I would think there is a bit of 
> tunnel vision involved, much like texting while driving or some 
> such. Doing two things at once, and doing both well are very different things.
> >
> > I'd say to be careful in dense wood about bumping into trees, and 
> to walk alongside cliff sides very slowly and carefully until the 
> innate magic was done being cast.
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> >> So MUs can't move and cast OR chew gum and rub stomach at same time.
> >>
> >> Do Innates suffer this same fate?
> >> Since most agree Innate is through thought.
> >> I've not thought of this before.
> >> I suspect they can move.
> >> Since creatures can move/cast.
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> > After giving my opinion, I sat and thought a bit about the 
> mechanics behind my answer.
> >
> > This is based on V1, which is what I use.
> >
> > MEL for innates is based on experience, while EL is based on 
> stats. This can make for a a bit of a disparity compared to a mage 
> with one MEL for many spells, each of which boosts his MEL. An 
> Innate gets Experience form just tone one spell, although his 
> expertise gains also go towards MEL. Still, if he doesn't use it 
> much but has high stats, he can have a highg EL and, hence, spend a 
> few phases getting the Energy together to trigger it.
> >
> > My assumption is that there's going to be some level of 
> distraction during this time period. Also that high EL (hence, 
> stronger) spells will require more attention.
> >
> > So, I'd say use the EL of the innate spell as a perception 
> penalty. That calls for perception rolls, of course.
> >
> > A few exist. It would be a penalty to setting an ambush, 
> and  abonus to the ambush someone has set against you. You'd give 
> them a bonus to avoid, or take a penalty to avoid yourself. Each of 
> these rolls happens once, and only of the ambush is triggered 
> during the casting time.
> >
> > Apply the EL as a penalty to any Tracking or Trailing, and roll 
> each phase of spell casting. If you fail the trail is lost and you 
> can reacquire when the spell is done, including canceling the 
> casting to reacquire immediately. Standard track/trail rules apply 
> to reacquire.
> >
> > And, basically, that just leaves bumping into things.
> >
> > Set a BL of 10, modified by the local terrain. A glass smooth 
> desert with no obstacles, including other beings, would likely be a 
> BL20. A dungeon death trap/obstacle course could be a BL0.
> >
> > Make the roll, adding the EL of the spell to the roll. Roll each 
> phase. Allow for partial success.
> >
> > -A Success is fine, you didn't bump into anything or anyone.
> >
> > -A Partial Success means you noticed in time to stop yourself, 
> but may have lost concentration on the spell. Roll on the same BL, 
> but this time instead of adding the spell EL, subtract your Will Bonus.
> >
> > -A Failure means you bumped into something and lost the spell. 
> That is likely all it means, unless there is something specific 
> about the terrain that might be more dangerous, like if you are 
> alone in a field of prickly cacti. If so, the GM will need to 
> determine damage based on circumstance.
> >
> > -An Abyssal Failure means you really stepped int he wrong place: 
> Tripped over a root, found the lone gopher hole or animal burrow in 
> a empty field, etc. Assume a trip-and-fall and 1d6 damage (negated 
> only by some sort of acrobatics skill, if any, but NOT Climbing), 
> again, unless the GMdetermines that the terrain is more hazardous. 
> If so, whatever the terrain would do on a failure plus the 1d6, at minimum.
> >
> > That's what I came up with, anyhow.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: " Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tmagann at earthlink.net>
> >
> >> Can they? Probably. Should they? I would think there is a bit of 
> tunnel vision involved, much like texting while driving or some 
> such. Doing two things at once, and doing both well are very different things.
> >>
> >> I'd say to be careful in dense wood about bumping into trees, 
> and to walk alongside cliff sides very slowly and carefully until 
> the innate magic was done being cast.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
> >
> >>> So MUs can't move and cast OR chew gum and rub stomach at same time.
> >>>
> >>> Do Innates suffer this same fate?
> >>> Since most agree Innate is through thought.
> >>> I've not thought of this before.
> >>> I suspect they can move.
> >>> Since creatures can move/cast.
> >>>
> >>>
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