[PnP] Hand to Hand

[Burton Choinski]

The basic concepts we have added to HtH are:

Grappling:  An attacker going for a grapple uses his "damage" as a  
degree of control.  While in control he can inflict an automatic  
subdual damage equal to his normal hit damage (armor counts half,  
rounded down).

Attacker A grapples and gets a severe hit.  His roll of 13 "damage"  
is his level of control.

  The controlled target can attempt to break control by making his  
own HtH combat roll, with "damage" compared to the control "damage"   
At least one-quarter damage (round up) needs to be done to reduce  
control, otherwise control is not affected.

Defender B tries to throw off the control but only gets a normal hit  
for his roll.  He needs to do at least 4 points of "damage" to reduce  
the degree of control, otherwise there is no effect.  If he does that  
4 or more, control is reduced by that amount.

Once control hits 0, the target escapes the hold.  The holder can  
attempt to improve his control at any time, with any "damage" he  
rolls replacing his old control.  Obviously, any miss means he  
screwed up and loses his grip.

If a grappled target rolls DOUBLE the control he may attempt to  
"reverse" on the attacker and get an immediate HtH roll to grapple him.

In most cases, shield hits only matter in the initial grapple attempt  
-- after that it is assumed that the shield is lost and any attempt  
to improve the grip or get a new grip consider shield hits as normal  
hits (unless the target has time while free to get his shield back).

For larger targets, add the size difference to their damage value  
when breaking holds and reduce the initial degree of control by the  
size difference.

A hero (size 2) is grappling a giant (size 8).  The initial degree of  
control will be reduced by 6 (which may mean that no control was  
gained) and if he is still grappled the giant will add +6 to any  
rolls when attempting to break the grip.


Subdual/Real:
When using HtH, only subdual damage is done unless the attacker has  
"hardened" his fists with either a cestus or at least AV2 gauntlets.   
When hardened, he may opt to do only sudual, however.





On Aug 1, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Björn Jansson wrote:

> Our group has not, even though we've changed a lot of other things.  
> So why
> answer? Well... Here's the reason why (or at least *my* reason):
>
> Game Balance. P&P, like most games, do not take into account much  
> more than
> weight and protection of armour(s). In reality someone in full  
> plate is at a
> severe disadvantage against an single opponent because he has a  
> hard time
> moving around. Historically a lot of plate-wearing men have died at  
> the
> hands of non-armoured when they either lost formation or lost (light)
> infantry support. In that way they where not much different from  
> the tanks
> of today.
>
> So putting yet another advantage in the camp wearing plate by  
> letting HTH
> combatants take damage... it is a little to much for me.
>
> What would be interesting is a solution a little like was done in
> RoleMaster. There where two ways of HTH. Strikes and Sweeps/Throws.  
> Strikes
> where very ineffective against plate, but sweeps/throws where  
> great. That
> modelled the hardness of the plate but also modelled the  
> awkwardness and
> movement difficulties with plate.
>
> /B
>
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> A recent combat aka kick via hand to hand got me thinking.  Has  
> anyone done
> up good HTH rules?  A person kicks another person say with plate  
> armro.  His
> boots.  We could assume his boots and his foot would take some  
> possible
> damage.
>
> Anyone work up some rules for this?  If not I'll have to come up  
> with some
> later.
>
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>
> A recent combat aka kick via hand to hand got me thinking.  Has  
> anyone done
> up good HTH rules?  A person kicks another person say with plate  
> armro.  His
> boots.  We could assume his boots and his foot would take some  
> possible
> damage.
>
> Anyone work up some rules for this?  If not I'll have to come up  
> with some
> later.
>
>
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